Tuesday, August 25, 2009

Blog for Welfare of PBORs

Dear Govini,
With your best wisahes I have,today created a blog for dissemination of information for the welfare of PBORs. I hope we both shall be able to some thing for our brethern PBORs. OK.Bye.
Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.
Indian Ex-Services League,Punjab & chandigarh


  1. Dear Sir,
    I have been reading your complete efforts in resolution of the issue of PBORs since the inception of VIth CPC. But I don't know what is the reason nothing is coming through. All these points are under consideration with any of the authority. Please through some light.(a) Placing of Sgt in PB-2?
    (b) 70 % pension for post Jan 06 PBORS retiree?

  2. Sir,

    Hearty congratulations. I think, this is a small step in right direction. For any long journey, the first step is very important and always counts.

    Gavini VN


    Dear Veteran,

    This organization has taken up the case of Inadequate promotion among the PBORs (Personnel below Officer Rank), Assured Career Progression Scheme (ACP Scheme) among the ranks up to Havildar and additional conditions imposed on the Post-Retirement Canteen Benefits of PBORs with the Integrated HQs of MOD (Army), Ministry of Defence, New Delhi vide our letter no. IESL/13/2009 Dt. 18 May, 2009. Copy of the letter of response by the Addl. Dte. Gen. Pers. Services Adjutant General's Branch is copied below for the information of PBORs:-

    Tele: 35054 Addl. Dte. Gen. Pers. Services

    Adjutant General's Branch

    Integrated HQs of MOD (Army)

    New Delhi – 110011.

    B/33152/AG/PS-2(c) Dt. 05 June 2009.

    Indian Ex-Services League (Punjab & Chandigarh)

    3 – Guru Ram Dass Nagar

    Patiala – 147004.


    1. Ref your letter No. IESL/13/2009 dt. 18 May, 2009.

    2. The following are clarified for your info please :-

    (a) Inadequate Promotion among the PBOR. A study for cadre review is under way which would address the issue.

    (b) Assured Career Progression Scheme (ACP Scheme). Instructions for implementation of ACP are under preparation and will be issued shortly.

    3. The above are the issues being progressed by PS Directorate.


    (VS Rama Raju)


    Dy Dir/AG PS – 2

    Copy to

    QM (Coord) - A photocopy of Indian Ex-Services League letter under ref in para 1 above is fwd herewith. You are requested to reply to the issue raised in para 3 of the letter regarding additional conditions imposed on post retirement canteen benefits of PBOR.

  4. Prabjot : It gives great pride to see that a SNCO is the president of EX-Servicemen association, specially in a place like Punjab which is highly obssessed with Officers. Let us unite overself and fight for the issue of our PBORs brothers which have been always used and betrayed.
    Can you please put enlighten us on the pension of Post 06 PBORs, which govt promised to clear 70% of last pay drwan but no where in b&w.

  5. Dear Rajender,
    Regards.Orders for Post-2006 have not yet been issued by the govt.You know that these orders were cleared by CoS along with Lt. Col. 's order for change of Pay Band from PB-3 to PB-4 and those have already been issued and Lt Cols have already got the benefit in pension.We have written the govt on it.Actually this point was to be stressed upon by Services Hqs.I hope these orders will be issued soon.
    Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS.Retd.

  6. Tele: 23092563
    Intergated HQ of MOD (Army)
    Army HQs / QMG's Branch
    Dy. Dte. Gen. Canteen Services
    L-1 Block, Room No. 15
    New Delhi – 110001.

    No. 96410/Q/DDGCS Dt. 23 Oct, 2008

    1. Reference this HQ letter No. 96410/Q/DDGCS dt. 08 Aug, 06 and dt. 12 Oct, 07.
    2. Consequent to improved socio-economic conditions and purchasing power, the COSC has accorded permission to serving and retired PBORs to purchase four wheelers through the CSD with effect from 01 Jan, 2009 based on certain operative conditions to ensure that the facility is not misused, procedures and safeguards given in the succeeding paragraphs will be strictly adhered to.
    3. Eligibility – All PBOR (serving and retired of the three services having minimum of 15 years colour service and having been released honorably are entitled to purchase a four wheelers up to 1300 CC capacity.
    4. PROCEDURE AND Contitions:-
    (a) JCOs/ equivalent can purchase the second car after five years of the initial purchase and all other entitled Soldiers / Sailors / Airmen after seven years. Sale of car is not allowed before completion of two years from the date of purchase.
    (b) Serving and retired PBORs will apply on the prescribed forms as enclosed at Appendices 'A' and 'B' respectively (which will be provided by the concerned CSDd Depot)
    (c) Following documents shall be submitted along with the application;-
    (i) Serving PBOR:-………………………………….

  7. ……………………………………………………
    (ii) Retired PBOR - The retired PBOR shall submit
    an affidavit of Rs. 5/- on Non Judicial Stamp Paper
    (Appendix 'D') covering the following:-
    (aa) I have not purchased a car in the last 5/7 years as applicable.
    (bb) I shall not sell the car for the next two years.
    (ac) I understand that any violation of the above will
    make me liable to pay back the entire excise/ sales
    tax concessions to the Govt.
    (ad) The vehicle is for my personal use.
    (ae) The vehicle purchased form the CSD will be
    registered on self name.
    (d) Entry with regards to purchase of car by retd PBOR will be made on the original PPO at the Depot.
    5. MISUSE – In case an individual is found to have violated any of the above conditions, that is, purchase of second car before five / seven years or sale of car before two years form the date of purchase, he will be liable to pay the full excise duty / sales tax as applicable.
    6. At the CSD depot level, following actions will be taken on receipt of
    application from the PBOR:-
    (a) Verify the correctness of the details furnished by the PBOR.
    (b) Cross check from CSD HO whether the Concerned PBOR has already purchased a car from any other CSD Depot in the last 5/7 years.
    (c) Share the date with regards to purchase of car by PBOR with other depots.
    (d) The PBOR will be allowed to purchase the car only after receipt of confirmation form CSD HO.
    (e) In case of retired PBO following additional actions shall be taken :-
    (i) Ensure the affidavits as per Appendix 'D' has been received.
    (ii) Ensure entry of purchase of car with date is made on the original PPO.
    7. CSD HO will be responsible for collecting the information of all purchase at All India level. A consolidated quarterly report of all purchases will be forwarded by CSD Head Office to the DDGCS.
    8. This office letter No. 96410/Q/DDGCS dated 08 Aug, 06 and 12 Oct, 07 are hereby cancelled.

    (IP Singh)
    Dy Dir Gen
    Canteen Services

  8. Dear Veterns,
    Regards. My blog is not working properly.As such,I am pasting the speech given by Hon.Lt. Pandey in the meeting held by IESM on 30.08.2009 in Noida. If read this carefully you will understand the whole position regarding the functioning of IESM.......

    (Hon Lt Kameshwar Pandey) (pandeykameshwar@gmail.com)

    Jai Hind

    Respected, Honorable Senior Veterans and my Dear Friends!

    Today is a historic day in the history of Indian Military Veterans of all arms. We all have completed one year of our peaceful struggle for OROP. The GOI has been compelled and forced to consider our justified and legitimate demand for ONE RANK ONE PENSION. In my view we have all gathered here to contemplate on our past actions and discuss and explore our future plans of action. In my brief talk, I will try to cover the following points:
    1.Achievements of IESM in the past one year
    2. Actions taken by the government, the politicians and the bureaucrats
    3. Possible reasons behind OROP not being granted as yet
    4. Possible course of action for the future
    5. And finally and most importantly, how each and every ESM can contribute to this mission.
    1.Achievements of IESM in the past one year:
    (a)This is the first time that the issue of OROP has been mentioned in the Presidential Speech in the Parliament. This has been possible only because of the massive action taken by IESM.
    (b)A large number of senior officers and all Ranks of all arm have come together under the IESM umbrella. This involvement has been totally selfless from all members and it is an astonishing feat achieved by the Indian Military Veterans community.
    (c)A dedicated, able and effective leadership has taken charge of this mission and will most definitely steer the mission to victory and success.
    (d)The government is now fully aware of the fact that the planning and execution of IESM is way beyond their control and that IESM is growing faster than they could ever imagine. That is why the government is reluctant to talk and negotiate with the IESM.
    2.Actions taken by the government, the politicians and the bureaucrats:
    (a) Divide and Rule - Instead of solving the problems of ESM and carefully considering the legitimate demand of OROP by the military veterans, the government has been trying to divide us in segments like ranks, arms, Officers, JCOs, ORs. They have been trying to segment and divide our power and strength.
    (b) Using small ESM organizations with vested interests, the government has been trying to advertise that they care for the welfare of the veteran community, all of which is a false propaganda.
    (c) The GOI should recognize and be grateful to the officer community especially the chairman IESM, for it is because of them this mission is still peaceful.
    (d) The PBOR community is so full of anguish that if left uncontrolled/unguided they will not refrain from resorting to other means of making the deaf hear our voice. That said, I must underline the fact that this is a rather dangerous game the GOI is playing and it better be aware of the consequences of this.
    3.Possible reasons behind OROP not being granted as yet:
    (a) I feel that reason behind the fact that OROP has not been implanted in its true nature and spirit is the fact that each and every action/decision/step taken by the IESM leadership is being debated.
    (b) This is a clear sign for the GoI that the ESM community is not united. The proverb “Too many cooks spoil the broth” is so truly applicable to this situation. We must all understand that this too is like a war for justice and no war can ever be won if there are more than one orders given at the same time or if, on every decision, a committee or a consensus must be formed.....

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    (c) With respect, I want to bring forth a very important and serious issue regarding the devaluation of JCOs, NCOs and equivalent ranks of all arms. The JCOs are commissioned by the President of India and it is a class II Gazetted Rank. Now it has been replaced by a term “PBOR”. Where did this term “PBOR” come from? I find it amusing and rather disturbing that it has been so easily accepted by our service chiefs and the boards of JCOs and NCOs have been replaced by PBOR!
    Rank degradation was a major issue taken up by most ESM organizations. Similarly the same issue of rank degradation holds good in coining this term “PBOR” and must be dealt with utmost seriousness. On the Blog REPORTMYSIGNAL it is seen that each rank is interested about its own interest. This is a point I have personally raised with the Vice Chairman in the past as well. It has also been raised earlier by Sgt. Prabhjot Singh PlS (Retd.), President, Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab and Chandigarh.

    This is the root cause of defamation of the Army. It starts from the soldiers and creeps all the way up to the levels of senior officers as well. The time has now come for all ranks to forget about their individual benefits and unite for Social Justice and Respect of the Indian Military Services. Many senior officers have rightly pointed out that we should learn from neighbors and the past history. Service years were different and the times now are different. Why is any body/organization not thinking for the benefit of all ranks all arms (from Sep to Gen, including Ex Service Men)? Has GOI been successful in its divided and rule policy inherited from the British?
    4.Possible course of action for the future:
    Therefore my request with the entire ESM community is this:
    (a) Organizations founded for the welfare of ESM have failed the very purpose of their existence. IESM, in my humble opinion, must make an effort, to get rid of the people filling holding these appointments (and making a mess of the entire organization) and to replace these people with those who are really devoted to the cause of the ESM, who can understand and appreciate the reason why these bodies were founded.
    b) Many states like Punjab have been exemplary in this regard where these organizations still perform the duties they are supposed to. (c) Let us all be united in our thoughts, actions and words. That is the only way we can become a force strong enough to shake the high offices in New Delhi.
    (d) Let us all have faith in the IESM leadership. The chairman and the steering committee is what the Captain is to a boat or a Pilot to an airplane.
    (e) Let us not criticize others. Instead, do the best we can in our own capacities to help the mission become successful. (f)Once a decision has been taken, let us all own it – for better or for worse – understanding that the intent behind taking that decision was the success of the entire mission. (g) Please do not criticize our leaders, do not comment on there integrity and leadership capabilities. They have brought us here and they will, most definitely,make this mission successful. (h) Lastly I whole heartedly support the suggestions of Vice Chairman Maj Gen Satbir Singh and Col Rajan for the future plan of action.
    5.How Can One Individual ESM Help:
    One must both generously and seriously think about how he/she can help the Mission OROP. Some can help with money (donations), some with their organizations, some with organizing local meetings and seminars, some can give time and man power, and some can help with material/items. Where ever an ESM goes, let it be ECHS, CSD offices and any where, we can talk about this movement get membership form and deposit medals.

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    Once again I thank you all for giving me this opportunity to share my vies with you.

    Jai Hind!

    Kameshwar Pandey

    Sub/Maj Hony Lt (Retd.)



  11. Dear Veterans,
    Regards. I have changed the name of my blog to............Veteran PJS Chhatwal speaks...Please visit the same for latest orders and information. Dear Bijay please make a note of it.